We arrived at the Kingdom Hall shortly before a meeting of the Tucson Mountain congregation. Confused, I shortly noticed Joseph Friedenberg and we quickly made our way to the backroom where John(?) Russell and some elder (possibly the new Circuit Overseer) I have never met before were waiting. The following transcript starts with us first arriving inside the building.
Some Anonymous JW Inside: Hello?
John: I’m John. I think I probably met you before up here… Uh I came wednes—no—thursday.
Jonathan: Which congregation is this again?
Some Anonymous JW Inside: Tucson Mountain.
Jonathan: Tucson Mountain… Oh! Hey…
[At this point I spotted Joseph Friedenberg. John and I made our way to the lobby and subsequently to the backroom.]
Jonathan: Yeah, sorry…
Jonathan: Hello. [In greeting to some anonymous JW in the lobby]
Jonathan: Confused with all the cars… Hah…[To the elders waiting in the backroom]
Russell: That’s all right. Come right in…
John: Hi, my name’s John.
Russell: I’m John.
John: All right, I kinda like that name. Heh…
John: I’m John Hadwin. Good to meet you.
Russell: What’s your name?
John: John Hadwin.
John: [Indecipherable]… Tucson like that, this place is so confusing…
Russell: So you’re old(?) friends?
Jonathan: Yeah. This is a brother from Louisiana.
John: We’re uh… we go back about 5 years now… but, uh… I’m only 25 so that’s like a fifth of our lives.
Jonathan: [Short burst of laughter]
Russell: So are you a witness? Are you one of Jehovah’s Witnesses or…?
Russell: Are ya?
Russell: In good standing, or…?
John: Yeah, of course.
Russell: Louisiana, huh?
John: Yeah, yeah… [Indecipherable] …My wife and I haven’t been back for… since, well really since Hurricane Rita. And my brother’s house was, like, 12 feet underwater at the time. And it was just… [loud crack] amazing so…
John: Yes sir.
Russell: Uh, John… I guess John is a witness from Louisiana.
New Guy: Well, thank you very much for coming. What we were concerned about is uh… majorly… is that uh… we do the right thing.
Jonathan: Mmhm, absolutely.
New Guy: And uh… you know you can’t record this. And so I have to ask you do you have a recorder?
Jonathan: Uh… yeah, I have a tape recorder, yeah. Umm… Now, why exactly is that—that I can’t record this?
New Guy: Well it’s the policy of the Watchtower Society.
Jonathan: Okay what’s—is there a biblical basis for that?
New Guy: I don’t believe they had recorders back then. *chuckles*
Jonathan: Well—fine—I know… Uh…
New Guy: No, that’s just the establishment of the meeting. And if you’re going to record it then we can’t have… [Indecipherable]
Jonathan: Okay. *mumbles* well, here you go… [hands over tape recorder] Okay.
New Guy: Do you have a second one?
Jonathan: No I don’t. That’s the only tape recorder I have.
Russell: We’d like to start with a prayer.
Jonathan: Go ahead.
Russell: Would you like to do that, Joseph?
Joseph: *cough* Jehovah God, we come before you now to give thanks for allowing us to… be part of your organization. To… use the bible and uh… adjust our thinking. And to help our… our members… in doing the same thing. So that… uh… we can all reach the same goal. We ask that you would be with us now to have a… mild spirit. And to be able to… uh… speak freely. I’d like to give this prayer to you now in Jesus Christ’s name.
Elders (in unison): Amen.
New Guy: And what I’d like to do is just read a scripture to you to start with…
New Guy: It has to do with what our purpose here is. It’s in Galatians 6…
[Flipping to scripture]
Jonathan: Galatians 6?
New Guy: Galatians 6. First uh… first verse.
New Guy: It says… “Brothers, even though a man takes some false step before he’s aware of it. You who have spiritual qualifications try to readjust such a man in a spirit of mildness. As you each keep an eye on yourself, for fear you also may be tempted.” So… the reason we wanted to meet with you is to see if there’s some way we can assist you… to be able to see things… uh clearly as to Jehovah’s organization, the Watchtower Society [Indecipherable].
New Guy: That’s our purpose…
New Guy: …is to help you.
New Guy: Alright. So… based on that… your thinking today is what in regards to the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society?
Jonathan: Well what should it be?
New Guy: Well… do you… do you want this to be confrontational?
Jonathan: No, no, I’m asking what—what should… you know as an elder it would be of great assistance if you could define what should be my position to the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society.
New Guy: The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society is a legal corporation.
New Guy: And in… within that legal corporation those who have put it together…
New Guy: …are those of the governing body who are part of the one hundred and forty four thousand.
New Guy: The governing body are the ones that uh… give all directions throughout the Earth. And I guess the question would be do you believe that that governing body is appointed by Jehovah to do that.
Jonathan: What basis would I have to believe that?
New Guy: The Bible.
Jonathan: Okay and where—could you… if you could help me… please point that in the Bible.
New Guy: Matthew 24. I’m sure you know–
Jonathan: Matthew 24:14?
New Guy: No, 24. [Looking back, maybe he subconsciously was directing me to Matthew 24:24 ;-)]
Jonathan: Oh, the whole thing. Okay.
New Guy: No, 45.
Jonathan: Oh, okay, the faithful and discrete slave.
New Guy: There you go.
Jonathan: Okay. Yeah, Matthew 24:45 in regards to the faithful and discrete slave.
New Guy: That is correct.
Jonathan: What is the faithful and discrete slave?
New Guy: See, you’re asking the question. And what you want to do is try to convince us of what–
Jonathan: No, I’m not trying to convince you. I’m asking a question… because, as an elder… I have these questions and it would assist me greatly if you could answer them for me.
New Guy: The answer that I gave already is [Indecipherable]–the governing body.
Jonathan: Okay, so the faithful and discrete slave is the governing body.
New Guy: One hundred and forty four thousand, those that are left here on the Earth, the governing body is part of that. That is correct.
Jonathan: So you’d say the governing body then represents… the faithful and discrete slave.
New Guy: That’s true.
Jonathan: Okay, so where’s the governing body then in–in the scriptures?
New Guy: Same place as uh… were here… John and all of them were in Jerusalem. That’s where Paul went to visit them…
New Guy: That’s where all the various ones went…
Jonathan: You’re talking about the Jerusalem council.
Russell: Y’know, uh…
New Guy: Y’know it’s… *chuckles*
Russell: Excuse me a second. *cough*
Russell: Our—our purpose in being here is—is not to debate these things, but to find out… if… whether you agree or disagree with what you’ve been taught from infancy…
Russell: …based on the bible. And, to answer our questions with questions is… only to stimulate debate. And we’re not here to debate.
Jonathan: Well it’s—it’s not stimulating debate. It’s—it’s… I find questions with questions, um… it actually allows us to… argue. And argument is where two people—two parties… come to a common conclusion. Umm… and so therefore… I-I can’t be sure… You say I’ve been taught from infancy. But a person isn’t sentient until they’re three years old. Um…
New Guy: No, well what we need to do is stop it here.
New Guy: If—if you do not believe… that the anointed… on the Earth today… are directed by the governing body today…
New Guy: …then we have no more discussion.
Jonathan: Simply because if, theoretically, I didn’t have that belief there would be the end of discussion?
New Guy: Absolutely, because, that means that you do not…
Jonathan: Would it… Okay, the scripture you cited said that you were to readjust my thinking. So if my thinking is off… then you are to readjust me. Is that correct?
New Guy: The point is that you don’t desire, evidently, to be readjusted. Because you–
Jonathan: How is…? Okay…
New Guy: –incidentally ask questions. We give you a simple answer, and you want to know why that answer is given.
Jonathan: I’m trying to make sure of all things… make the truth my own. We—we do that by asking questions. We come to a knowledge of the truth… by… asking pertinent questions.
New Guy: Well… do you remember the other part of that scripture?
Jonathan: Well, what is the other part of the–that scripture?
New Guy: That we just read… where we protect ourselves…
Jonathan: I—I’ve been looking at the Watchtower. And I… I would think you might find this interesting. It says “Since we do not want our worship to be in vain, it is important for each one of us to examine his religion. We need to examine not only what we personally believe, but also what is taught by any religious organization with which we may be associated. Are its teachings in full harmony with God’s Word? Or are they based on the traditions of men? If we are lovers of the truth, there is nothing to fear from such an examination…”
New Guy: Absolutely.
Jonathan: “It should be the sincere desire of every one of us to learn what God’s will is for us and then to do it.” That’s from The Truth that Leads to Everlasting Life, 1986 p. 16
New Guy: I-I understand that…
New Guy: …but that’s not what we’re talking about. Let me ask you a direct question…
New Guy: Do you believe in the Trinity? Is that a belief of yours, today?
Jonathan: Could you define what the Trinity is?
New Guy: No, I’m not going to define what the Trinity is. Because you know–
Jonathan: Well, if we can’t define–
New Guy: –what the Trinity is.
Jonathan: Obviously I don’t. What is—what is the Trinity, please?
New Guy: I’m not going to argue the Trinity.
Russell: In all of its variations…
Russell: In all of its variations… And there are a variety of ways to apply… the doctrine…
Russell: In any of it… do you believe in the trinity? In any form…
Jonathan: In any form?
Russell: Any form.
Jonathan: Well… that’s—that’s uh… I in any form… The Trinity, the word, is not found in the Bible.
New Guy: That’s true.
Jonathan: So, in that, I would say… no.
New Guy: Then do you believe that God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit are one?
Jonathan: How do you define “one”? Because Jesus Himself said “I and the Father are one”. So obviously that’s a biblical sentiment.
New Guy: Well, he also said all of His apostles were one with that.
Jonathan: Okay, so, there you go… I mean do you have—we have to define terms in order to understand what we’re talking about first.
New Guy: But we’re never going to get to a definition of terms. Because… you already have a mindset. And that mindset that you have is not acceptable to us. You don’t want that readjusted.
Jonathan: It-it’s not… No, I do want it readjusted. If I am wrong in any way, it’s your duty to readjust my thinking.
Russell: To readjust the one who wants to be readjusted.
Jonathan: And I do want to be readjusted. To—to judge my desires… No man can judge the heart, right?
Russell: That’s true.
Jonathan: Okay, so how can you prejudge my desires?
Russell: We’re not…
Jonathan: Okay, well then—then I do. All I can say is that I do want to be readjusted. If I am wrong, in any way, please point that out.
Russell: Well, maybe it would be easier—if I may..
Russell: You tell us… Select just one doctrine… that Jehovah’s Witnesses… adhere to… based on the bible, that you disagree with. Just one. Let’s not go around.
Jonathan: Well—well what makes you… believe that I disagree with any doctrines?
Russell: That’s why we’re here.
Russell: Because we had heard this… because of what you have said to your family members.
Russell: And you have posted, we understand, on the internet…
Jonathan: Do you have proof of that?
Russell: No! I wouldn’t look at postings…
Russell: I have proof in the form of witnesses who’ve said they saw it. We do. We’ve heard that. So all we’re saying is…
Jonathan: Well who are—Can I—Can I ask who are these witnesses?
Russell: Absolutely. Jared and Emily…
Russell: Uh… and uh… Chris, and uh… uh… Jill.
Russell: Your own grandfather…
Russell: …heard your words and your… and uh… what you were saying.
Russell: And they’re happy to come and testify to that, but I don’t think that’s necessary. If we take this down to its very base… uh… point of the discussion…
Jonathan: Uh huh.
Russell: We can see whether or not you want to remain as part of… this organization.
Russell: If I may…
Jonathan: Go ahead.
Russell: If we find one teaching… that you disagree with, rather than us trying to… banter on terms and words… give us one you’re having difficulty accepting.
Jonathan: It’s not a matter of difficulty accepting. I-I actually affirm a teaching… that the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, or that God’s organization should not be involved in political affairs. I believe that. Now why did the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society join the United Nations in 1992?
Russell: You’ve been given an explanation for that. So…
New Guy: You know the explanation for that.
Jonathan: What is the explanation then? How have I been given an explanation? Wha-what do you mean?
Russell: Because it was…
New Guy: Go ahead.
Russell: The Society wrote and explained all of that. And—and… we don’t need to get into any of these definitions of… what it appeared, why it appeared that way…
Russell: Let’s stick to just a basic bible doctrine so we won’t spend a lot of time…
Russell: Because if you don’t–
Jonathan: Let me—let me ask you a question then. On—on doctrines…
Russell: Before you do…
Russell: So you understand clearly why we’re here…
Russell: If a person… biblically… poses a threat to the unity and the cleanliness of God’s organization here on Earth, we then are charged with the responsibility to investigate that, and for the sake of purity and cleanliness and to uphold holy standards—1 Peter 1:16—
Russell: “You must be holy, because I’m holy”—then we will discharge that responsibility whether the person who we’re speaking to or not agrees or disagrees.
Russell: That’s not for you to decide.
Russell: So what we’re saying is to get rid of all the periphery…
Russell: Let’s bear down to one basic thought. Not debate terms.
Russell: Take one thought. And if we can or can not agree on it, we’ll use that for the basis of our decision. How would that be?
Jonathan: Well, uhm you-you pointed out a number of procedures on how that’s—how that’s to go, uh, it’s interesting Matthew 28 says that we’re also to bring this before the whole congregation. It says, y’know, that if you have a problem with your brother… uh, go to him… and then that if—if that—if he doesn’t seem to be responsive—he doesn’t want your help—then to—then to, uh, go to the older men then to go to the congregation [I was thinking Matthew 18, and it doesn’t actually mention the “older men” in that passage]. The whole—the whole congregation. Uhm… I mean, well… I’ll give you an example—“Since the local court was situated at the city gates, there was no question about the trial being public (Deut. 16:18-20). No doubt the public trials helped influence the judges toward carefulness and justice, qualities that sometimes vanish in secret star-chamber hearings. What about witnesses? Witnesses in Bible times were required to testify publicly.” Okay, so that’s the Awake! January, uh, 22nd 1981. And—and as I was citing Matthew 18:15-17 [says] “speak to the congregation”.
Russell: Are you debating with procedure here? Is that—?
Jonathan: I’m not debating. I’m—I’m asking a question. Why, exactly… do we have this backroom procedure, at all? Why isn’t it brought before the congrega—You—you were explaining, uh, why we’re here, and that’s what I’m asking. Why is it that we’re here in this locality?
New Guy: We are charged—we are charged to protect the congregation. And therefore you must go through us to get to the congregation.
Jonathan: Okay. So it’s—it’s—
New Guy: That’s all there is to it.
Jonathan: So are you—you don’t believe that it was literal when he said “speak to the congregation” in Matthew 18.
New Guy: No.
New Guy: Not for us today. In those days we don’t know what the congregation was. I mean—
Jonathan: Ah, okay.
New Guy: —we weren’t there.
New Guy: How do we know what it was?
Jonathan: So, the basis of changing that would go back to the organizational legitimacy.
New Guy: Alright, alright.
Jonathan: That this is God’s organization so we can change that interpretation.
New Guy: Is this God’s organization or not in your mind? And that’s—that’s all I can ask.
Jonathan: Okay, well that’s—that’s my question. My—my question is if this is God’s organization what is the biblical basis to show that? You—you mentioned the “faithful and discrete slave,” okay, how do we identify it? Because Matthew Henry—Matthew Henry’s Commentary, which is cited extensively by the Watchtower—umm—basically states that the “faithful and discrete slave” is an example for ministers—for “gospel ministers”—that—that anyone who takes it upon them—that is called to be a minister in that role should be “faithful and discrete” in execution.
New Guy: You know what? This meeting is over.
Russell: Yeah. There’s no point.
New Guy: There’s no point in discussion.
Jonathan: There’s absolutely a point! It is your duty to readjust me.
New Guy: No.
New Guy: Your meeting is over.
New Guy: That’s it.
Jonathan: Okay, well before it’s over let me—let me give you something. Umm…
John: I have a question. Can I speak?
John: Um… Why can’t you answer his questions?
New Guy: Because we know his thoughts. We know—
Jonathan: You know my thoughts! You’re psychic!
New Guy: Pardon?
John: How do you know his thoughts?
Jonathan: Yeah, how do you know my thoughts?
John: I was just talking to…
New Guy: I read your thoughts.
Jonathan: Oh… okay.
New Guy: Your grandfather had them.
New Guy: All the things that you wrote…
Jonathan: You have alleged writings.
New Guy: Pardon?
Jonathan: You have alleged writings from my—my grandfather. Well do…
New Guy: Your grandfather…
Jonathan: Well, let me give you something. Would you be willing to accept my… my thesis? Joseph?
Russell: No. You know what we’ll accept from you?
Jonathan: Okay. Is a letter?
Jonathan: Okay. Sure.
Russell: If you–
Jonathan: Here—here’s my letter.
Russell: And what is it?
Jonathan: Would you like to read it? Here, I’ll—I’ll read it outloud. “Dear ‘Jehovah’s Witnesses’, the Watchtower organization self-styled ‘Jehovah’s Witnesses’ is an apostate cult.”
Jonathan: “It is a high control group that fosters a unique puritanical culture of its own…”
New Guy: You’re—you’re dismissed. Bye bye.
Russell: Thank you.
New Guy: Thank you for being here.
Jonathan: Well, God bless.
Russell: Thank you for helping us to resolve the matter.
New Guy: Thank you for [indecipherable].
New Guy: Now the only other req—question we have is… Shall we talk to your mother and your brother?
John: I can’t believe you won’t even answer his questions, and I don’t understand why.
Russell: Yeah you do.
John: No, I don’t.
Russell: But we’re done—we’re done now.
New Guy: Then you must not be one of Jehovah’s Witnesses.
Russell: You’re not. *chuckles*
New Guy: And my question to you is…
John: Why won’t you even…?
New Guy: Should we talk to your mother and your brother?
Jonathan: And what would be the point?
New Guy: The point would be… If they don’t want to be one of Jehovah’s Witnesses we need to let…
Jonathan: That’s—that’s not—I have no idea what their thoughts—I don’t read anybody’s thoughts.
New Guy: As far as…
John: Why won’t you answer his questions?
New Guy: We don’t have time.
Jonathan: Frankly, this is satanic.
John: You don’t have time?
Russell: We don’t have time for it. We’re not—we’re not… This is a matter of debate. So… we’re not here to debate.
John: He was asking you guys for help.
Jonathan: Y’know… 1 Peter 3:15 says every man must make a defense for his faith.
Russell: And you know what? Your faith is apart from ours. There’s the door.
John: But mine’s not, so… let me ask you…
Russell: Well it is. We can look at you and tell it is. You’re sharing with him. You must be by association. And if you want to change that, go back to the congregation you came from and address it with your elders who know you. We don’t know you. Anymore…
John: But you’re brothers, right?
Russell: We are indeed. The three of us are… not to you.
John: Why not?
Russell: Because, it’s obvious. He refers to us as an “apostate cult.”
Russell: Why don’t you come back at another time… without him? And we’ll visit. Why don’t you make an appointment to come see us? We’ll see you individually if you so choose.
John: Are you gonna answer my questions when I come back?
Russell: If they’re not in the form of debate… and if they’re sincere. But if…
Jonathan: How—how can you judge—judge my sincerity?
Russell: Well we’re not talking to you.
New Guy: Not sincerity as to what you believe.
New Guy: But sincerity as to…
Jonathan: But I have serious questions.
Russell: No you don’t.
Jonathan: Yes I do.
Russell: Our conversation is over.
Jonathan: How serious can you be when you say this is not God’s organization; prove it to me?
Russell: Our conversation is over. So now, my point to you is this… if you are sincere, you may certainly get our attention—let us know—and we’re happy. If it goes in the same direction, we’re happy to meet with you, but if it goes in the same direction we’ll dismiss you as we’re dismissing him.
Jonathan: I would just like to say, could you keep this on file? Because this is my letter of disassociation.
Russell: Oh, we will.
Jonathan: Okay, thank you very much.
Russell: Oh, we will.
Jonathan: Well, why don’t we—why don’t we go, John? Because, they’re unreasonable so…
Jonathan: No, we—we should go… Have a nice day!
New Guy: Thank you.
[At this point, John insisted on remaining inside and plead with the elders to be sane and reasonable (which they predictably refused, of course). The door was open, but the recording is much quieter at this point. After a few moments I walked back toward the doorway.]
Russell: …not be called to mind including the names of those who set themselves apart from God’s organization. He won’t even remember their name. Isaiah said it. [Isaiah nowhere mentions “organization”] We didn’t. It’s a serious matter. It’s a very serious matter. So with humility in your heart, when you come to a doctor, as he used the scripture, to adjust that bone. And you’re in great deal of pain. And the tears are streaming down you. And you’re in anguish. And you come to talk to us to help you adjust that bone, as Galatians 6:1 says, and you debate with us? Whether or not we have the credentials to adjust it? And how we’re going to adjust it? I would think you’d want the bone set.
John: I didn’t know I was having a bone set.
Russell: But you weren’t invited here.
John: Yes I was! He invited me.
Russell: Not by us. So I’m saying the invitation to come to this holy place, to have our attention, to have an audience with us, to help you, is open to you. Not to him. And… you’ll get the same hearing ear, but if you take the same position, at the outset, we’ll dismiss you, because we don’t have a sharing in that.
Jonathan: Because they can’t tolerate dissent. That’s what it comes down to.
John: But, he invited—look, he invited me here as his witness…
Russell: We didn’t—He makes a statement that’s true. We do not tolerate dissent against Jehovah’s organization. [He makes it sound as if “dissent” is somehow synonymous with rebellion…]
Jonathan: Because it’s not Jehovah’s organization! It’s dissent as… Is it Jehovah’s organization? That’s my question.
New Guy: You know, gentlemen, this meeting is already over.
Russell: It is. But I just want you to know the door’s open, if you humbly come back and ask for help.
John: But I came here humbly today…
Russell: Well, but we weren’t expecting you to be here. [I told them weeks in advance that I wanted a witness to observe the proceedings.] You come another time, if you’re sincere… you make an appointment—You know how to reach us. You know our meeting nights.
John: If I screw up are you guys gonna treat me like [indecipherable]
Jonathan: No, let’s… John… John, let’s go, c’mon.
Russell: Could be. We’ll dismiss you if we don’t feel comfortable being in your presence.
John: Y’know… Y’know what? I have never seen such a lack of love in all of my life. What happened to the rest of Galatians? The part that talked about love?
Russell: Y’know what? You’re just caught up in the emotion of it. We respect that. We hope that you’ll see the light.
John: What’s gonna happen to him and everyone he knows?
Russell: You know the best thing you can do for yourself, John? Separate yourself from him. Get yourself from him. Never speak to him again from this moment forward. And that’ll be the best thing you can do for yourself. If you love God—If you love God—not us, not him, not even yourself. If you love God…
Jonathan: If you love God, you will want the Truth.
Russell: Never speak—never speak to this man again. Come back to this holy place, strip yourself of your pride and let him affect your heart. And you will see things differently. Don’t have to come to this hally(?) place.
Jonathan: Uh huh.
Russell: Go to another Kingdom Hall, but do not speak to him… ever again, and you will be on the road to life. That will start you down that road.
John: I don’t have any hatred in my heart. (?)
Russell: We don’t have any hatred for you.
John: How am I supposed to start down that road?
Jonathan: No, actually according to the Watchtower you’re supposed to hate apostates. So…
Russell: We don’t have any hatred
New Guy: [Indecipherable]
Russell: None whatsoever. We are sorry for you.
Jonathan: Might as well be, because you can prejudge him. So…
[More indecipherable commotion]
Russell: You know what? In a god-like form, I absolutely do hate him, just as Jehovah does. He’s insulted our god… in God’s house! How else should we act?
Jonathan: If you’re talking about the god of the Pleiades star system, then absolutely I would insult that.
Russell: You can step outside and close the door. If you’d like to say something, it has to be here.
John: But he didn’t even say anything about God or anything, he’s just talking about a bunch of stuff and he had questions. And you guys…
New Guy: No, he didn’t.
Russell: Listen. I’ll reiterate this so you make sure when you walk out the door you know our doors are open to you. We will hear you again. We will hear you again… not in a judicial form, because we don’t know you! You say—You’re one of Jehovah’s Witnesses…
John: He said I’m a witness… from Louisiana. I’m his witness.
Russell: Are you or are you not one of Jehovah’s Witnesses?
Jonathan: He’s absolutely one of Jehovah’s witnesses, because Jesus is Yahweh and he—he is a Christian.
Russell: Well I—I’m out of words. I only have so many words per day, and I’ve used ’em up. So have a great evening.
Russell: And if you want any help you come back without him… in a different time and a different setting or another Kingdom Hall with other elders… they’ll share the Bible with you, but they’ll dismiss you if you’re the same—assume the same posture. That’s just how it is…
Jonathan: That’s how it is.
John: Logical debate is bad?
Jonathan: Yes it is. Let’s go John…
New Guy: Go on, John.
Russell: Have a good evening.
Jonathan: C’mon… Oh! Thank you for the record…
New Guy: I knew you were lying.
Jonathan: It’s not a tape recorder. I said I have no tape recorder.
New Guy: Well I knew… I knew exactly what you were doing.
New Guy: Have a good night.
Jonathan: You too!